Alright guys: What tier is assassain? Planning on reworking it into my build for Aperion's campaign since the evil restriction has been removed, but trying to figure out where it fits in the gestalt system.

T3, T4, or T5 are my guesses. T3 maybe because of spellcasting, T4 because it is very similar to rogue, or T5 because (i dont have time to write this part, at work and cant actually examine the class).

Thoughts?  (Will edit above part after work)

And yes Aperion, I noticed you exactly called what I wanted to change

That's weird, I could have sworn it was listed as T4, maybe I'm thinking of another class.

Where did you see that it was T4? I was unaware of any place that listed the Tiering of PRC's. We have always just decided among ourselves what seems the most likely.

I got it mixed up with Ninja, and even then still got that tier wrong.

Assassins, ninja, I can't keep all these classes straight.

Assassin is listed as a +1 from rogue on the "logical entry".  Since Rogue is T4, Assassin is T3.

"These PrCs generally improve their entry classes substantially, without radically affecting game balance.  Expect characters with these to be powerful allies or dangerous enemies, without totally overshadowing their single-classed peers."

While the differnce between T4 and T3 is meaningless for my purposes, what makes it a "substantial" improvement? is it just spellcasting? My only flip side to it being not improving substantially is you lose all but one of the rogue special options by taking 10 levels of this PRC.

Again, just arguing for arguing's sake