Over the past month, we've beentrying to put the final touches onteh T&G system.  Besides the ranking of classes (note: several are still outstanding), we have a few more concepts to go over.

First, with regard to gestalt and Multiclassing:  I beleive that a gestalt counts as one class.  For example, a Fighter (Monk) 12 has one class for the purposes of multiclassing.  Further, I beleive that so long as you stick to base classes, your gestalt simply acrues each level.  Take this example:  A fighter/bard.  At every fighter level, this character gestalts with a tier 5 class.  Every bard level brings about a warrior gestalt.  The implication of this meathod is that once you choose a class to gestalt, you have locked those two classes down.  Example:  A fighter (monk) cannot gestalt again with either fighter OR monk.  Gestalt requires two classes maintain the same level (relative to each other).  The final bit of this is that multiclass restrictions will still be in effect.  So with the fighter (monk), one he multiclasses (barring a free multiclass ability), he cannot take fighter or monk levels again.

On to PrC's:

PrC's are tough to figure out b/c they do not have absolute ratings.  A Cleric10/Fist of Raziel 10 is much better than a Paladin 10/Fist of Raziel 10, due to the tier where their base classes start.  The rating system for PrC's rates them as a +2 to -2 scale.  This takes into account existing Tiers and logical entries.  From this, I propose the following:

Levels where you gain "+1 level of (__________) spellcasting", you gestalt as if you gained a tier modified level in the base class that you are inreasing:

For Example:  A spellsword gets +1 level of arcane level for every odd numbered level.  Assume the following:  5 levels of Fighter(Adept)/5 levels of Wizard.  At the first spellsword level, the character takes a level in wizard.  Since spellsword is rated at "-1, except for 1 level dips", it's assumed to be from the wizard level, and gains no modifier.  At the next level, having declared wizard as the entry point, the spellsword gestalts to wizard at a -1 tier, for tier 2 (so no gestalt).

Using a different example: A Bard (warrior) takes 5 levels, then multiclases into Dragon Disciple.  Dragon Disciple is a -1 PrC.  The DD's entry is from the Bard, which gives it an adjusted tier of 4.  It can be multiclassed with Aristocrat, Warrior, Expert,  or Commoner.  Warrior is available, since it counts as an extension of the logical entry class (in effect, it's like taking more bard levels).  The Bard(warrior) multiclasses to Bard 5/DD 10 (Warrior 15).

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Since I know this conflicts with what Zal and Sev are thinking, I expect vigorous debate.

As a note:  When writing gestalts on a character sheet, try to put the gestalt class in (<<theses doohickies>>).

About Multiclassing:

I dont nessisarily agree with what you have said. As I have been thinking about it, I don't see the problem with leveling monk(fighter) for 5 levels, then leveling as ninja(fighter) for 3. IMO, you would become a 5th level monk 3rd level ninja. Each would be gestalted with fighter, and when you switched classes (monk to ninja) you would keep leveling your fighter (so your 3rd level of ninja would be paired with the 8th level of fighter). I have no problem with it resolving like this, and would say that this would be my preference. As for multiclassing, it should only be effected by the base class. If you have 3 classes, each fairly spread out, but all of them gestalted with fighter, you still incur penalties.

Going to bed now, will post tomorrow about PRC's

1)I can agree to that if the player maintains the RP of the primary class.  That sounds ok to me.

2) Does gestalt count towards the multiclass limits?  IMO:  no.

I agree with your IMO. It should not count against your multiclass unless, for some random reason, you decide to play monk(fighter)3, monk(ninja)5, and fighter(adept)1. Dont ask me why you would do this, but in this senario, it would count against you.

Quiet you. My example is flawless.

I see what you are saying.  I'd view it like this:

1) Gestalt does not count towards your class limit/count

2) This is voided if you gestalt a class twice (i.e. Fighter/Pally then Fighter/Monk)

As for PrC's:  PrC's should be rated by player and DM based on the rest of the build.  This rating should following the following system:

+2:  Class adds significant new dimensions/flexibility, and increases (or maintains) general power fo the base class.

(Example:  Champion of Gwynharwyf:  Adds many paladin powers to a baba build, without diminishing baba rage)

+1:  PrC adds new flexibility, or expands power, but not both.

(Example: Fist of Raziel: adds smite at the cost of spell casting [1 level])

+0:  Power and flexibility of base class is not altered significantly

(Example: Kensai:  Adds 'free' magical item at the cost of Full AB, and comes with a powerful RP code)

-1:  PrC decreases power without adding significantly to the class

(Example: Spellsword:  Drops 5 caster levels for medium armor)

-2:  Significantly nerfs power and versitility of base class

(Example: Green Star Adept: loses casting levels and the level-up mechanic is at whim of DM)

Once this rating is determined, apply it to the bas class.  In the case of multiple base classes, apply it to either an average or something similar)

Example:  Jimbob is a Fighter[Expert] 1, Wizard 3.  He has gestalted his fighter level with one level of the expert PrC for more skills.  He wants to take Eldrich Knight.,  Eldrich Knight adds warrior BAB and one fighter bonus feat at the cost of one level of spell casting.  From a wizard's PoV, it's a +0 class.  From a fighter's PoV, it's a +1 class.  the DM and Jimbob decide to go with a +0.  Jimbob intends to only take wizard levels after the PrC. m His final build will look like: Fighter[Adept] 1/Wizard 9/Eldrich Knight 10.  The +0 applies to the wizard class.  Thus, Jimbob's Eldrich Knight Levels are treated as levels of wizard for the purpose fo gestalt, so he gets no gestalt options.

Example 2:  Smeegol wants to play a paladin with the Fist of Raziel PrC.  He starts out with Paladin[Fighter] as his gestalt.  He also wants to throw in levels of Grey Guard.  Fist of Raziel is a +1, as is Grey Guard.  When he gestalts, both classes are treated as Tier 4, allowing Jimbob to add levels of Expert to them.  His final Build then becomes Paladin[Fighter] 5, Fist of Raziel[Expert] 10, Grey Guard[Expert] 5.  In addition, his paladin, fighter, and expert levels all count for the purposes of determining a multiclassing penalty.  In order to avoid this, Smeegol changes his Grey Guard gestalt to Aristocrat.