So, I'm bringing this up due to the recent(ish) errata of Crane Wing, one of my favorite feats. Crane style (the tree) is a defensive fighting stance. 1st feat reduces the penalty for fighting defensivly by 2, and incrases the ac granted by 1. The second tier (the errata'd one) allows you to deflect the first melee weapon attack that would hit in a round. The third tier gives you an attack against the person who's attack you deflected, and further reduces the penalty by another 1.

The first feat (crane style) is good. It makes fighting defensivly good (or better to say the least). the third feat (crane riposte) is good, but I dont like it too much. The second feat (crane wing) is fantastic and quite powerful. it is the one that has been errata'd.

Long story short, they changed it so that you can only deflect an attack when you are total defense. If fighting defensivly, you can get a +4 ac vs a single attack. I bring this up because I HATE THE ERRATA AND FEEL IT SHOULD DIE. sorry, needed to get that out.

I would like to bring this to the group to 'repeal' the errata for purposes of our gaming group. I dont like it, I dont want it, and while I will use the origional for my campaigns, I dont play in my campaigns so I won't be using it like I would as a player. I would like to come to some form of agreement as our roleplaying group that we burn that errata with much much flamenwurfers.

Thoughts?

Edit: The feat (in errata form) can be found on any of the websites. here   To find the old version, you will have to look it up in Ultimate Combat, page 93. Copy pasta:

Once per round while using Crane Style, when you have at least one hand free and are either f ightin defensively or using the total defense action, you can def lect one melee weapon attack that would normally hit you. You expend no action to def lect the attack, but you must be aware of it and not f lat-footed. An attack so def lected deals no damage to you.

The feat tree isn't difficult to get into, especially for monks. To take Crane Style requires dodge and Improved Unarmed strike, bab +2 or monk 1. Crane Wing (second) requires same plus Crane Style, and Bab +5 or Monk lvl 5. Crane Riposte Requires all of the above plus BaB +8 or Monk lvl 7. There is a cheese way to get this earlier, but it is cheese and i dont believe that is the argument im making.

Sev,

The errata of the feat balances it with other feats of the same type, those of course being Style feats. 

Crane Wing was WAY more powerful than the other combat style feats. You said so yourself, its a strong feat. It was an OP feat. 

I don't mind the errata as I feel with was changed for good reason. That being said, characters that already have the feat should be able to continue using the feat as originally written. No sense fucking someones build over because of an Errata a year after the character was built. 

On a slightly different note:

Under the Errata, Gilfy would have won the duel with the Aldori.

TL;DR: Good Nerf, Grandfather Old Characters with it, Gilfy won. 

Anyone else have input. As you can imagine, not the reaction I was hoping for, but I want to know if people share Smurf's opinion or if I'm not just being stubborn (cause I can see how my old tendencies may be influencing my opinion)

Sorry Sev, I've been away from computer for a week.  Typically, the errata "fixes" mistakes from the published edition.  Just out of curiosity, is ther any reason to NOT take Crane Wing when making a defensive build?  Is the change a "total fuckover" or a small change to the feat?

I see it as a pointless feat now. the third tier will only happen if you total defense (which nukes any ability to deal damage, save very limited circumstances). I will (and have) admit(ted) that it is a good feat the way it is, quite good, but i dont believe it is broken, and it forces you to fight defensivly. Also, it is a different route to go than using a shield. you sacrifice the ability to use a shield or off hand weapon (losing ac or damage), and the attacks you do make are at a penalty.

I personally think the tradeoff was worth it. You have to have a hand that has to be open (no 2h weapons, dual wielding, shield, etc). You have to fight defensivly (mind you, only -2 with crane style, but still). Yes, it is a fantastic defensive feat, but it severly cripples your damage output, which is why i think it works as origionally written

edit: first line:  "As a pointless feat TREE now"